Meditation do not has shortcut..!!

[chandresh_kumar]

it is to be remembered that, if someone says, one can go in deep meditation in few days, that person trying to be fooled..

Changes will be very deep at start and will become deeper on continution of Meditation, but the sensebility will become higher, in that case, meditation will become in routine.

However it is a responsibility for human being that we become a meditator, but it cannt be instate and never be a short-term.. it will grow like a tree and will become stable for a long period, a long happiness... may be forever..

[Saille]

Tashi Delek, Chandresh,

I agree with you. I was introduced to meditation when I was about 13 years old. Now, when I help people to learn to meditate, they tell me how frustrating it is, that they can't meditate because it's boring, or it tak

es too long, or they can't stop thinking.

It takes time. It takes practice. It takes dedication. It takes determination. And it takes discipline.

Our egos will not relinquish control easily. I tell people it's like having a two-year-old child having temper tantrums controlling everything we do. That is what the ego is. It rebels because ego cannot be in the higher realms. It individuates us, so it is necessary while we have human bodies. But it was never supposed to have control--that is the soul's job, I believe. So we learn through meditation and other practices to control and tame the ego. It cannot go into the higher realms when we meditate, when we connect our selves to the upper vibrations.

Over time, I try to tell people, you crave the inner dance that leads to the inner stillness that hides immensity.

Namaste. (I enjoy your posts, by the way )

[chandresh_kumar]

Tashi Delek Saille, Greetings !!!

Your post is very informative and am very delighted to know that you are doing meditation from the age of 13 years... its great!!!

I would also want to know about the type of meditation on which you emphasis. Usually I do Breath meditation or third eye chakra meditation.. I also did Trataka and other types of meditations at a level..

Regards

[Saille]

I am not familiar with Trakata, I'll have to look into that, thank you!

I concentrate more on Pranayama now (it's not as easy as it sounds!), and I often find I can begin best by repeating my matram (Oh Mani Padme Hum). If my mind is too stirred up, I meditate by writing my mantram many times, until I can go into a state of stillness.

My meditation technique is primarily to relax my entire body, then focus upon my crown chakra (before I ever knew what chakras were), then follow the energy I feel down my spine. I also focus on my 6th chakra when I seek to move into deeper awareness.

Lately, I've been learning how to meditate on my chakras, and am learning so much about the nadis, and the subtle body system. In doing so, I'm realizing a lot of benefits on learning about mukti and bhukti.

I hope I'm using these terms in the correct context. If not, please advise me. After my first Kundalini Reiki attunement I realized that I've focused upon the flow of bhukti, but stopped concentrating once I got past the upper chakras. I'm now realizing that both the upward and downward flow is crucial.

I'm starting to try and work with my lower three chakras. This is not easy for me to do! So I'm learning many new things, especially with the new experiences and feelings from the Surya Shakti attunement (which I love!)

Please tell me more about your meditational practices.

[chandresh_kumar]

Hi Saille, Greetings !!!

At first I couldnot stop myself to say that "You are really doing great.."

You are doing Self realization by relxing your body and paranayama techniques and by Meditation on Chakra, your energy level is increasing..

Regarding "Trataka", it is a meditation technique in which one concentrate on a point or on an image in light or may concentrate on flame of a candle in darkness.. by gazing continuously the selected point or image or flame, etc. without or mimimum bliking eyes, Trataka happen.

You may find information about that at :

TCH Post by Mohan ji:

http://www.theholisticcare.com/forums/v ... atak#p8555



Regards

Chandresh

[Saille]

Tashi delek!

Oh, thank you for the information! I've tried it and am finding that my eyes tear up, and the desire to blink my eyes is distracting. I'll have to work on that. It certainly activates the Ajna chakra, doesn't it?

More study and practice is needed for me, that's certain!

Namaste.

[hotice_steve]

Dear Saille & Chandresh,
Thanks Saille & Chandresh for sharing.
Nice topic.
Meditation certainly has no shortcuts as goal is straight ahead & the shortest path is a straight line ahead.
When a Master initiates or attunes you before starting a meditation process a part of his Bio-memory on meditation is transfered to you & the process becomes a lot easier, but only when 2 necessary factors are considered.

• Lineage of Master, his experience, ability & honesty
• total surrender of seeker to the energy & Master

Even the presence of successful graduated meditator's will help newbies & struggler's.
Don't try very hard or punish yourself into a process. The post title may prompt some. The key is ease yourself into meditation & do the kriyas(processes) playfully. It will suddenly happen one day
No shortcuts means do it regularly, without stress and ignoring results while focusing on goal; they will just happen one day.


@ Chandresh, sorry I had to delete a link below as per our web policy.

[pradeep_shaktawat]

Sorry Gurdev bt m lill Disagree with you on the point of LINAGE.

i just wants to clear it with a DESI Example....

The satellite provides us Tv Channel.

The City distributor distributes the channel to the Cable operators.

now there may be chain of sub operators.....then the sub operator distribute the line with help of several Amplifiers

then we receive proper signals of that Channel n b able to watch that on TV.


so if there is any deficiency at any level of the network, the channel automatically disturbed, it is also possible that there is no prob on site of the city distributor or cable operator but the interruption is on any sub distributors site, n for this we cant blame on satellite or the city distributor

its also possible that from the same distributor a subdist. provide weak signals due to insufficient resources n equipments, wheres other provide best quality with good resources n equipments.


here:---->

Satellite:--> Universe

City Operator:--> Any Reiki Master

Remaining :--> Other Masters on lower node of lineage.

TV Channel:---> Reiki Energy

so its not necessary that a person at higher nod on Linage is good n perfect master and one at Lower node is equivalent with higher ones.

But the Thing which relay matters इस :-->

his experience, ability & honesty

My Guruji (Usui Reiki) prepares himself before each Attunement Session, for this he did following (at least 7 days before the day of attunement)

[*] Control on Kaam,Krodh,Lobh,Moh,Ahankar..Etc

[*] Self Balancing (Chakra balancing n self healing )

[*] cleansing and charging the place where the attunement will be performed



i think that the Linage system is Developed for Monetary Benefit by Hayashi and Takata.just like they controlled on Master Attunement

हो सकता हे की Linage में निचेके लेवल का आदमी उपरके लेवल से अच्छा मास्टर हो, कहते हे न की:---> "गुरु गुड ही रहे और चेले चीनी हो गए."


SO I JUST WANTS TO SAY THAT A MASTER IS JUST A REIKI CHANNEL AND THERE IS NO PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT OH HIS/HER IN A ATTUNEMENT,HE/SHE JUST CHANNELING THE ENERGY INTO THESTUDENTS

Regarding to this topic i will post my various attunement experiences @
Reiki Experiences section...

[hotice_steve]

Dear Pradeep,
Lineage means the entire network. Even one in line is wrong the end will be faulty. That matters.
Nobody has doubts on The Source. But somebody has to harness, store & supply. Just because Source is all powerful we cannot take other factors for granted.
Anyways we were talking about Meditation here. But since you talked about Reiki I feel the same about Reiki Lineage too.
I believe in strong Guru Shishya parampara. The experience is transferred to the next & adds on.
Simple Straight Question?
When we pay money for an attunement don't we seek reliability, competence & experience otherwise anything will do for most after all just experimenting.
"Lineage is not important" is a convenient adage made by people who want themselves to be more marketable.

• About Hayashi,

He didnt do anything wrong. He wanted Reiki to go downline via stronger channels. He didnt monetize. he was great master & had knowledge of Indian & Tibetan practices. The Chakra system was incorporated into Reiki by him. He also gave free treatment at his hospital. Those days he could have been killed by the military for his practice.

• About Takata,

She was a great Healer. Even if she monetized Reiki she can be forgiven, nothing wrong to get rich. She did lots of free healing more than us. All came to her for their own-self. Without her Reiki would have been still a mystery like Kundalini.
The power struggle after her death can be blamed for various other lineages.

SO I JUST WANTS TO SAY THAT A MASTER IS JUST A REIKI CHANNEL AND THERE IS NO PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT OH HIS/HER IN A ATTUNEMENT,HE/SHE JUST CHANNELING THE ENERGY INTO THESTUDENTS

The Master is only a channel, Yes, he still has to be a good & able Channel.
One doesn't drink pure water from a dirty & leaking glass.
The school syllabus is same, still you see that your child goes to a good school.
The whole attunement exercise is a personal involvement & an exercise of intent. Without Intention there is no attunement. The Master has to have "No attachment" that is a different requirement.

हो सकता हे की Linage में निचेके लेवल का आदमी उपरके लेवल से अच्छा मास्टर हो, कहते हे न की:---> "गुरु गुड ही रहे और चेले चीनी हो गए."

अरे भाई गुड हमेशा चीनी से बहेतर है , बले कम मीठा पर अच्छे तत्वोसे परिपूर्ण|
चेला कितना भी आगे जाये वह हमेशा आखिर तक चेला रहता है | किसी और का गुरु बने तो भी |

[pradeep_shaktawat]

Thank you Very Much Gurdev, 4 ur Guidance.

अरे भाई गुड हमेशा चीनी से बहेतर है , बले कम मीठा पर अच्छे तत्वोसे परिपूर्ण|
चेला कितना भी आगे जाये वह हमेशा आखिर तक चेला रहता है | किसी और का गुरु बने तो भी |

अजी, गुरु शिष्य परंपरा की इज्जत तो में भी बहुत करता हूँ, जेसे बच्चा कितना भी बड़ा हो जाये माँ बाप के लिए बच्चा ही रहेगा. उसी तरह शिष्य कितना भी आगे चला जाये गुरु के लिए तो चेला ही रहेगा.
"मैन्सिर्फ़ ये कहना चाह रहा था की, चेला कुछ नया सीख सकता हे. जेसे की आपने बताया की हयाशी ने चक्र सिस्टम डवलप किया, इस तरह से."

बाकी गुरु तो गुरु ही हे गुरदेव.

[Saille]

Tashi delek,

I respect your opinion, Pradeep, but I must agree with Steven on this. For me, lineage is critical. When we receive an attunement (or even a treatment), that energy is flowing through and, in a sense, is of our Reiki Master.

It is the Master who produces the attunement, and from whom we must be able to look for wisdom. We are, in a very real sense, attached to our Reiki Master, in this case Mohan.

I have knowledge, and experience. But I always find that the more I learn and practice and treat, the more questions arise, the more knowledge is needed. And while I cherish and read all your posts, all posts here, when I see Mohan's avatar, I get still inside, and I read, and I listen with the honor due to my Reiki Master.

To know his lineage, is to know where my Reiki, my Suryashakti, comes from. And I can meditate on that, and feel that I want to come from gentleness, humbleness, and honor, to reflect Mohan's integrity. Does that make sense? I don't downplay what I know. But I do bow to his knowledge in a way that implies a very deep trust.

I once had a "friend," who let me know he'd given me a "master attunement." I was very sick for weeks, my Guides working on me continually. I don't know what he actually did, but it wasn't good. I hesitated greatly to begin at this site, remembering that incident and how long it took me to heal, spiritually. This is another reason why lineage matters.

And lastly, there are people out there who say they're Reiki Masters, and they "attune people," but they aren't. One receives attunements from one who is capable and trained to do so. Most people don't realize that, and so their Reiki doesn't work. And they're not trained, so make up their own.

Here, we are so fortunate! I am so fortunate. I have you and Steve, and I have Mohan, and others I can read and converse with and learn from. And we share lineage in this way.

I want to take this opportunity to express my deep, deep gratitude and humbleness to all of you. I learn so much from you!

Namaste.

[chandresh_kumar]

Dear Pradeep,

I also understand, you have given a good example of Satellite and TV linkage...

If Cable Operator is having some distrurbance, the TV wont work... but other TVs may work, not connected with that operator, but if City Operator is having any disturbance or Noise, then no TV will work in the city.

This proves lineage..My opinion is Chela cant go above the Guru, he/she must follow the path of Guru, regardless of any new invention..

Ultimately Guru has invented that path...

Dear Steve

No problem, but I didnot aware that link of any other site is not allowed... In future I'll must take care of this... Many thanks for conveying this...

[pradeep_shaktawat]

गुरुर ब्रह्मा गुरुर विष्णु ,
गुरुर देवो महेश वराह .
गुरु साक्षात् परा ब्रह्मा ,
तस्मै श्री गुरुवे नमः .

The teacher is like Lord Brahma as he Generates knowledge within us,
like Lord Vishnu as he Drives ideas and knowledge into our mind unto the right path,
and like Lord Mahesha (Shiva) as he Destroys the ill-conceived ideas that come from our knowledge,
while enlightening us and helping us stay on the right path.

Thus the teacher is like our ultimate God and we should pray and give respect to our teacher.
in my post about Linage there is no intention about the Respect and Importance of GURU. by that i just wants to indicate that many people takes it (Linage) Wrongly. i just wants to say that if the guru have a proper channel then there is no matter that where he stands on Linage Tree.

GURU IS IMPORTANT NOT THE LINAGE.

but if City Operator is having any disturbance or Noise, then no TV will work in the city.

in only this types of condition Linage does Matters.


Tashi delek,,Saille...
for your Query about Lineage Plz Follow the Link:--> http://theholisticcare.com/forums/viewt ... ?f=16&t=45

[Saille]

Tashi delek,

What a wonderful thread this is! So many opinions, so much information shared. For those who read now, even if they don't comment, and for those who will read it in the future, all who have commented so far have given a tremendous amount of food for thought.

Also, thank you for posting the link. My computer is having a lot of lagtime lately, but had wanted to post the link to Mohan's lineage, and then forgot.

I hope that people realize when they're thinking about receiving attunements that attunements created a link between the Master and the student. And that it's important to not only know the lineage, but to use our own critical thinking skills and any and all psychic abilities in determining not only if we should take an attunement(s), but under who's tutelage to do so.

When I speak with people who say they have attunements, I always ask them what lineage they belong to. For that is, indeed what it is, a belonging.

What we do with this, as with all things, is a matter of our own decisions and actions. But I know that when I do treatments I am very aware of not only Mohan's "signature," as Steve put it so well, but also of all those whom I'll likely never meet, who also now share the same lineage. It's a cosmic family.

Many blessings, and Namaste.

[pradeep_shaktawat]

Hello,

My computer is having a lot of lagtime lately

give little detail about ur PC n Operating System and about the problems.
after obtaining the information i will post the Solution at General Chat so it will be beneficial for all other members. coz for accessing THC, Computer is must Required.

or you can post ur query directly at That Section n i will reply there.

and "Congratulations for Become Jr. Member"

Good Keep Posting