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Jesus cannot be God?

Jesus cannot be God?

Postby dattaswami » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:07 pm

Jesus cannot be God?

A devotee told that some of his friend say ‘ Jesus told that He submitted His soul to God’ . Based on this very statement some say that Jesus cannot be God.

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You are giving value to one statement of Jesus and you are not giving value to some other statement of the same Jesus. Jesus also told that He and His father are one and the same. This statement of Jesus is also equally valid . Every human incarnation is a two-in -one system. When you say ‘God in flesh’, the word flesh means a living human being and not mere inert human body. Krishna said in Gita that He enters the human body (Manusheem Tanum….). Here the word human body means the living human being and not mere inert human body. The word human body means the composite of three human bodies and such composite is called as a living human being. Therefore this means that the Lord enters the human being. The three human bodies in the composite are;

(1) The outermost inner gross body which is alive due to the awareness that pervades all over the gross body.

(2) The inner subtle body which is the bundle of qualities or feelings which are alive because these qualities are just the vibrations of pure awareness.

(3) The innermost causal body which is the core pure awareness.

The gross body is crucified. All the statements are given by the subtle body only through the mouth of the gross body. This subtle body stated that His body was not prepared for crucification. Here the body refers to the gross body which is different from the subtle body. At the end this subtle body stated that it is submitting its soul to God. The word soul refers to the causal body. This composite of three bodies stands as the meaning of the word Jesus. This composite is the meaning of the word ‘flesh’. This composite is called as the human being or jiva. Strictly speaking the word jiva means subtle body only. The soul is called as Atman. God entered Jesus and therefore God is in flesh. God is the fourth item and is called as ‘Supersoul’. It is this supersoul or God who said ‘I and My father are one and the same, ‘I am the truth’ etc. Therefore you should not confuse between the separate statements of subtle body and super soul.
Any ordinary human beings is just a composite of these three bodies without the super soul.

Otherwise there will be glaring contradiction between such statements. The aspect of human being is to stand as a practical example for all the human beings. The aspect of God is to explain practically the divine nature of God. Any human incarnation consists of these two aspects, which is a mixture of human being (Nara) and God (Narayana). If you take any sweet, it is prepared by mixing sugar and flour. But the item is called as sweet referring to the property of sugar only which is more important. Similarly any human incarnation is divine referring to the nature of God only, which is more important. An electric wire consists of electricity and non-electric wire. But it is called as current referring to the more important electricity only. You call the lamp as light which consists of flame and other materials like iron, sand, glass and cotton- piece with oil. It is called as light referring to the more important flame, neglecting other non-luminous materials. Therefore you call Jesus as God which really means the God is in Jesus. Similarly Hanuman is the incarnation of Lord Siva. As a human being he acted as a servant of Lord Rama. As Lord Siva, He jumped over the sea and killed several demons. Similarly Lord Rama learnt the spiritual knowledge from sage Vasista. This is the aspect of His human body. But as Lord Narayana a stone was converted into lady by the touch of His divine foot. Similarly Krishna is a driver of the chariot of Arjuna from the point of human being. As Lord Narayana He preached Gita to Arjuna and gave divine vision to him. The aspect of God is to teach about the God to the human beings. The aspect of the human being is to freely mix with the human beings and stand as an example for human beings.

Even the Prophet Mohammed is the Human Incarnation of the Lord. He did not reveal His divine aspect because it was not required in those circumstances. Thus you have to realize the program of the human incarnation according to the requirement suitable to the surroundings. If Lord Krishna, was born in West instead of Jesus, people might have been more spoiled. The people there were very cruel because nowhere in the world in the history the human incarnation of the Lord was killed in such a brutal way. That shows their cruel nature in that time. For such nature only love and kindness can bring realization. If Krishna were born there, they could have very easily grasped the negative qualities light stealing etc. without understanding their significance and the significance of the human incarnation. Therefore a suitable program was adopted by the Lord. You should not critizise Jesus joining such cruel people about incapability of self protection. Similarly you should not critizise Krishna, for stealing butter which was only to cut their bond with their hard earned wealth. Similarly attracting Gopikas by dance was only to cut their bonds with their husbands. Gopikas were sages in the previous birth and prayed the Lord for Salvation from the bonds. Hindus in India believe in previous birth and therefore they can digest this back ground. If this happened in the West, Christians do not believe in previous birth and therefore will certainly misinterpret this concepts. Therefore the divine program can be understood in the context of the back ground of a particular region only.

Therefore we have to understand the statements in the light of God as well as in the light of flesh accordingly, since both aspects are required for the devotees. The human aspect shows the path and the divine aspect shows the nature of the goal. Similarly the nature of the program of the human incarnation depends on the level of the psychology of the people living in a particular region in a particular time. With the help of such parameters only you can appreciate the total behaviour of the personality of the human incarnation.

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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby pradeep_shaktawat » Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:05 pm

:F0
really good post
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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby chandresh_kumar » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:29 pm

Jesus has never told that he is God...however, he has awarded as Son of God....

Everyone is son/daughter of God... and by working and thiking like Jesus..one can go at his level.... however, even still we cannot understand Jesus properly..... it is very tough to understand full views of an AVTAR.... only one Incarnation can understand... means who can understand that... will become an Incarnation... I think so....
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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby hotice_steve » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:27 am

Dear Chandresh,
You are absolutely right.
You have put it rightly.
Just to add......
I myself am a Roman Catholic by birth & practice. Family members are very religious.
I have declared myself to be a Advait Vedantist.
Advait base is I am God or Brahman or Cosmos.
So even if an Incarnation/Avatar declares he is God he is not wrong. Its all about self-discovery.
Another mistake what people do is expect 100% efficiency & correctness from Avatars. In the Human body this is not possible even for Avatars. People never understand this easily.
Ram,Krishna,Jesus & even many Avatars till date face this.
Incarnations encounter same life problems what any other man would, but difference is how they accept & face it & then act.
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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby chandresh_kumar » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:57 pm

Dear Stephen

Many thanks for such nice guidance on Advait-vaad.. Yes I am very much agree with you... There is no two.... everything is a part of God that is why if one declares self as a God without any ego... there should not be doubt...

Obviously there is difference between "BHAGWAN" and "ISHWAR", I tell such difference to many people.... With Human Body, one is "BHAGWAN" (CAME FROM BHAG).... and the one whose Birth is not take place and therefore cannot die, may counted as "ISHWAR"....

"BHAGWAN" may do mistakes, as he/she must live with Human Body and its Guna-Dosha...

Thanks again... :F0

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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby pradeep_shaktawat » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:50 am

:F0
Hello, I M agree with both of you.
Human Soul is part of God, so we can say that we are god..BUT......
But again same thin that Ishwar (Ajanma) n Bhagwan [(Soul With Body) Bhag Means Yoni and Bhagwan Means jisne Yoni se Janm liya].

chandresh_kumar wrote:
"BHAGWAN" may do mistakes, as he/she must live with Human Body and its Guna-Dosha...


yes bhagwan may do mistakes coz that time they are not bhagwan, they are human being. and as a human being they have body n body have various Karma.

when karma are attached with Soul, the soul affected accordingly. there are many things such Purity,impurity,all types of karma are added to the soul.
When we die, our soul goes with just only with our Karma.
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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby chandresh_kumar » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:07 pm

Actually My mean to say

"BHAGWAN" means who is born from Bhag... I did try to differentiate BHAGWAN with ISHWAR...

We usually say --- BACHHO'N ME'N BHAGWAN, RAM BHAGWAN, SHIV BHAGWAN, etc... We never say ... RAM ISHWAR, SHIV ISHWAR... there is something behind this..

Soul with Body is Bhagwan... obviously, Pradeep, you are very right.. that is why all type of Karma will happen... good and bad.. and fruit of that will be there... its nature..

Thanks Pradeep for these nice comments :F0
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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby chandresh_kumar » Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:13 pm

One more thing, Pradeep, I've read somewhere, that no karma is attached with the Soul.... these are linked with the Body only. With soul only "SANSKAR" attached... :rD

I dont know it is true or not, might be Stephen or Mohan ji could explain this properly.
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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby pradeep_shaktawat » Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:55 pm

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Karma & Sanskar both are attached with SOUL. Body is just medium(or mediator) of the Karma as we are for Reiki.
yes you can say that we do karma according to our sanskar. anskar are temporary and karma are permanent.

actually not permanent, but are transferable with your each birth.
you got your next birth according to your karma,coz soul is action oriented; we do karma n got fruit accordingly

as many says "I did not do wrong with any one,Yet I had to see this day"

what is this this is... THESE ARE THE FRUITS OF YOUR PAST LIFE KARMA..

चन्द्रेश जी इन्सान इस जन्म मे चाहे कितने हि सत्कर्म करले, अगर पिछले जन्म मे पाप किये हेतो उन्हे तो भुगतना हि होगा. जबतक कर्मो कि balance sheet बराबर नहि होति मुक्ति नहि मिलने वलि हे.
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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby chandresh_kumar » Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:47 pm

I understand Pradeep, this is very deep philosophy, yes it is true, what you've written, that "SANASKAR SE VASHIBHOOT HOKAR SHAREER KARM KARATA HAI...".... but, following are some more theory present in spiritual books and Internet Sites:

In Hindu Upanishads, they says, Karma is the SUM of all actions, births after births and embedded in the soul. And soul gets a physical body to unfold its karmic afflictions..

Every action performed by a man during his life time is recorded in his soul in the form of karmas. This can be compared to the black box of an aircraft. Again, a soul cannot decide on its own, but it is bound by the Divine law called "Law of Karmas"...

Also it is written that, At the time of death, the soul leaves the body. The body without life is known as ‘preta'. When body becomes preta, certain samskaras are performed to preta before it is consumed either to fire or to earth.

Samskaras mean impressions. It is the subtle form of activity and knowledge.

When knowledge ceases to exist, only the impressions remain.

After death of the physical body, all actions reside as impressions.

In the stage of deep sleep stage, anthakkaranam resides in ajnana or nescience. In the case of a Self-realized person during his life time, ajnana ceases to exist, but its impressions continue to remain. Samskaras, therefore is a way of manipulating subtle things.

Also have a look at Jain Phiplosophy of Karma

Jiva or Soul is the only substance, which in pure state possesses infinite knowledge, vision, power, and bliss. The pure soul is a liberated soul. The worldly soul is covered by karma particles.

The karma subdues the natural qualities of the soul. The qualities of the impure soul are as follows:

• Limited Knowledge, Vision, Power, and Bliss
• Possesses a body (plants, hellish, animal, human, or angel)
• Wanders into the cycle of life and death
• Suffers from birth, death, pain, and pleasure

The ultimate goal of human life is to remove all karma particles, which are attached to the soul. Then the soul will become pure and liberated.

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I also understand, this is an endless discussion, and still one of the big researches...

We only say, what is written, But to know this actually.... WHAT TO DO? This is the main question... Somebody written above, not you and me.... How they reached at that LEVEL.... What they did? And how they get such knowledge.....

MAANANSE SE ACHCHHA HAI JAANE... But how?

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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby JOBIAL ALEX » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:32 pm

Thank you very much friends. I agree with you.
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Re: Jesus cannot be God?

Postby venuslove » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:06 am

Hello,
I enjoyed reading all your inspirational information and explanations. It opened up some more things for me to meditate on and read more in-depth. I resonate with everything you have explained. :F0

Sending you all many blessings, love & light.

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